Adam Lambert and RedOne: “It’s Going to Be Crazy”

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to shock the world.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Well, at least he didn’t say “change” the world. Heh.

I’m too excited about this Adam’s signature that RedOne has in mind. They sure have mutual admiration towards each other. I hope they can have the album released before fall.

Are they actually recording, or just writing songs at this point?

And does this mean all the songs produced by RedOne will surely be on the album, or they’ll still go through the process of selecting songs from each collaborator (Ferras, Hodges, Wells, Alisan Porter, Ryan Tedder)?

A part of me wants these people to tone down the praise a little, because my expectations are already too high, I might be disappointed.

One comment, since I wasn’t this invested last year: Did we get this much news about Archie’s and Cook’s collaborators last year?

I’ll judge when I hear his album, though it sounds promising. I just have a bad feeling it won’t live up to the hype that these producers and songwriters are spoiling to us.

Go, Adam! We can hardly wait!

Wow, what a compliment for Adam to have RedOne inquiring about him while he was still in the middle of idol. It looks like RedOne is really into this album too! Can’t wait!!!!!!

i wonder how dr luke and desmond child’s songs are gonna sound like? and if theyll make the album?

niks Jun 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll judge when I hear his album, though it sounds promising. I just have a bad feeling it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t live up to the hype that these producers and songwriters are spoiling to us.

It their opinions, they have as much right to theirs as any of us. I don’t ever pay attention to record or movie reviews. Just because Mr. X likes something doesn’t mean I will. I am just looking forward to hearing Adam doing current work and I don’t care what anybody else thinks about it except for Adam and myself.

ETA: OK, I care what RedOne thinks, too.

I think they are hyping things up so that people won’t think that the Hi-Fi album is his musical direction. I’m only after Adam’s unique vocals and interpretation. I don’t really mind what kind of music he’s going to make. But him working with the well known producers is a big bonus for his fans.

i interpret “It’s going to shock the world” to just mean “It’s going to be awesome and not exactly like everything else out there today” which would be awesome. I am really glad that he is working with RedOne, and that compliment from RedOne is great.

Is this the full interview or is there a fuller version airing at some point?

Adam’s voice and the way he interprets songs are recommendations enough. It’ll be dynamite.

Adam and RedOne seem so excited to be working together, that to me is at least a collaboration of people who are putting a lot into what they are doing together, that bodes well a great first album. I can’t wait to here what they have in store for us, plus just new Adam on my iPod will make my day. Yay! He is looking so great and happy here, living the dream, so fantastic to see.

I don’t really care what Adam will sing or do. I just love anything he does. I don’t have any expectations at this point. Whatever comes my way will be fine. I just hope everybody loves it too. Will support him until he hit superstardom globally.

If anyone’s having trouble playing the video from E!’s website, here it is on YouTube.

I was excited to hear about Adam working with Ryan Tedder and Greg Wells (eeee MIKA!!!) today. I still hope to hear Howard Benson’s name thrown into the mix.

ken baker from E news tweeted that the longer version of the interview will be played tomorow during e news:)

I’m so excited about this album. I have no doubt it will be awesome…this is Adam we’re talking about here! And Red One is the hottest producer out there right now. You can see how excited he is to be getting to work with the glittery unicorn prince. The fact that Red One came to HIM and not the other way around is the most awesome part of all!!!

Love that boy! can’t wait to hear him sing his own songs. I’m sure what ever he does will shock my world.

I could just listen to him talk and sing all day (Oh hang on I already do that LOL), so anything he does is fine by me!

“shock the world”? lol okay, whatever.

I think RedOne wanted to be in this interview with Adam cuz he knows that Adam’s magic rubs off on people.

I was excited to hear about Adam working with Ryan Tedder and Greg Wells (eeee MIKA!!!) today. I still hope to hear Howard Bensonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name thrown into the mix.

Greg Wells I heard, but working with Ryan Tedder? really? Where was that reported? HOw could I have missed that?!

I just have a bad feeling it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t live up to the hype that these producers and songwriters are spoiling to us.

I have the same feeling.

I can’t wait! Red One came to Adam and not the other way around…that says TONS!!!

I am excited to hear this album…
and I want that t shirt.

I’m also a little worried about them hyping it up so much, but I like that they both have so much enthusiasm. That has to be better than the producer acting like all they want is to get the job done and collect a paycheck.

Greg Wells I heard, but working with Ryan Tedder? really? Where was that reported? HOw could I have missed that?!

In this article.

I’m FUCKING STOAKED!!!!!

OK, so based on articles and random Twitters, these are the songwriters and producers so far that are working with or writing for Adam.

RedOne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedOne)
Dr. Luke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Luke )
Greg Wells ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Wells)
Ferras ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferras#Discography )
Lauren Christy (part of the writing team called “The Matrix”)
Desmond Child ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Child)
The Sophomores
- Jared Scharff (also plays guitar for the “Saturday Night Live Band”)
- Ross Golan (also of “Glacier Hiking”)

David Hodges ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hodges )
Mitch Allan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Allan)
Kara DioGuardi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_DioGuardi )
Alisan Porter ( http://www.myspace.com/thealisanporterproject )
Ely Rise (wrote “Movin’ On” for Elliot Yamin)
Ryan Tedder ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Tedder )

You can check out all the collection of info and evidence here:

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=614503

ryan tedder was reported in an article yesterday…….ill try and find it

Adam looks good! he looks younger, maybe  ´cause he is losing weight, I can ´t wait for his album!

wow, both RedOne and Adam look cute! I’m just curious is there any other producer? I know there are some according to all the news, including Desmon Child, maybe RedOne is the most devoted?
I just hope the “demo collection” won’t affect his real debut album good luck, Adam!

I really like RedOne’s stuff, including his Kat DeLuna songs. My fave has to be Lady GaGa though.

Still, hype and all, I am impressed that RedOne knew he wanted to work with Adam, not just Adam wanting RedOne. That’s rather impressive to me.

snuffles
Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Don’t forget Ryan Tedder. The article is linked in a post above. I just found out about that one and I’m excited… It means a Piano tune YAy.

Kara DioGuardi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_DioGuardi )

Oh say it isn’t so. :sad_wp:

That t-shirt is to die for! That colour looks so great on Adam!

Adam and RedOne being so excited is making me more excited! I just wish this other crapola CD wasn’t mucking up the waters.

I’m so excited! I’m trying not to get my hopes up too high at this point, but Adam is Adam after all. And RedOne seems really thrilled to be working with Adam. RedOne looked like the cat who swallowed the canary during that entire interview.

Sunn Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

snuffles
Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t forget Ryan Tedder. The article is linked in a post above. I just found out about that one and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m excited

OK, I updated!

Comment from Dadam:

“The real irony on those pre-Idol recordings ( the ones that arent the rough Citizen Vein demos… which I kind of like. Monte rocks!) is that a couple of the songs actually had potential but the songwriter/producers squelched Adam’s inputs on changes to the vocal phrasing and vocal arrangement, directing him to sing them straight and very restrained. They obviously intended to shop the songs not Adam. So they came out pretty schmaltzy adult contemporary and VERY un-Adam. I remember he was excited about getting paid for working in the studio but pretty frustrated about how those songs came out.
This was before Wicked. A paying gig was huge.”

wiccagirl2009 Jun 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm

“I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really care what Adam will sing or do. I just love anything he does. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have any expectations at this point. Whatever comes my way will be fine.”

I so agree with this. If I can find a little something to love in the song “Want”, then I’m pretty sure I will love whatever is in his debut CD. Especially since he introduced me to some of his favorite artists (like Lady Gaga) and he has demonstrated his tremendous range and talent during Idol. I think I get what he wants to do. But honestly, I just love his voice no matter what he sings.

Quick question: These people are all writing songs and producing songs, but there’s no guarantee that the songs will be on the album, right?

I ask because Mitch Allan and Kara DioGuardi? JUST NO. PLEASE.

(Not fond of Lauren Christy either)

RubySlippers Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm

“I am excited to hear this albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦
and I want that t shirt.”

I LOVE that t-shirt!

onherthize Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm

Comment from Dadam:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The real irony on those pre-Idol recordings ( the ones that arent the rough Citizen Vein demosà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ which I kind of like. Monte rocks!) is that a couple of the songs actually had potential but the songwriter/producers squelched Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s inputs on changes to the vocal phrasing and vocal arrangement, directing him to sing them straight and very restrained. They obviously intended to shop the songs not Adam. So they came out pretty schmaltzy adult contemporary and VERY un-Adam. I remember he was excited about getting paid for working in the studio but pretty frustrated about how those songs came out.
This was before Wicked. A paying gig was huge.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Do you have a link to that?

melvel Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 pm

Quick question: These people are all writing songs and producing songs, but thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no guarantee that the songs will be on the album, right?

That’s right. No final decisions or choices have been made yet.

I’d love to see the link to Dadam’s comment too. I love that guy.

Can’t wait for your album, Adam! I’m sure it will be great. Love you!

well when the say, “shock the world” i take it as yes, his fans will like it…..whenever his first single drops im sure there will be a fair share that dont like it, but hey thats the music biz…but hopefully adams fans will like it and buy it in droves!

Do you think Adam was a little bit intimidated by RedOne? He kinda kept looking for confirmation from him during this interview. I think he was thrilled to work with the ppl that he could only dream of not very long ago.

Was this the full interview?

My expectations aren’t high! I am no rock fan but I am a die hard Adam fan. I can listen to his Upright Cabaret songs with people talking in the background all day. And I kinda like NB and Want. So, I don’t think I will be disappointed. His voice and magic is what I crave. It’s gonna be siiick!

Hope it’s not all dancy electro-pop. I love his ballads and sweet stuff too.

Do you think Adam was a little bit intimidated by RedOne? He kinda kept looking for confirmation from him during this interview. I think he was thrilled to work with the ppl that he could only dream of not very long ago.

Hi Becky, I dont think he felt intimidated. I think he was looking to RedOne to include him in the conversation.

Potentially “Better Than Ezra” could be added to the list:

http://www.theaquarian.com/aq/2009/06/19/interview-with-better-than-ezra-better-than-solo/

Have you been talking with anyone from the most recent American Idol?

For Kris Allen? We just contacted the A&R people and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all just kind of getting put together. So weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re talking with the Kris Allen people, the Adam Lambert people and the Allison Iraheta people.

And RedOne seems really thrilled to be working with Adam. RedOne looked like the cat who swallowed the canary during that entire interview.

Ha! This was my thought exactly!

can he live up to the hype? I am not sure.

Potentially à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Better Than Ezraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  could be added to the list:

Okay, here is where I am lost. I didn’t realize the Better Than Ezra people existed outside of 1995.

“Uh-oh, it was good living with you.”

Yay, good Adam music news! I’m excited but trying not to get my hopes up too high, you know? It’s really cool that RedOne knew he wanted to work with Adam before Idol was even over…I think his enthusiasm is a good sign…

wow, that’s an interesting comment from Dadam!

I’m curious about the Dadam quote too. Where did that come from? So sad if true!

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really care what Adam will sing or do. I just love anything he does. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have any expectations at this point. Whatever comes my way will be fine.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

I actually do care about the music that comes out. I’m a music fan first and foremost. I’m just encouraged by his love for Muse and every time he talks about “hard rock, pop, electronica” I remind myself that Muse has all of those elements and I LOVE them. I definitely want the album to rock and NOT in the Nickelback way (thank goodness Adam isn’t a fan!). However, I do trust that Adam has a good ear for music; I think he understands what works. That’s what I’m pinning my hopes on. He’s a smart, saavy guy and he knows what works for his voice.

btw., “Want” is up on iTunes. Feel free to comment away! Unfortunately, some confused fan girls posted first. I don’t see an ad on the front page, however. Yay!

Everyone is just enjoying the ride. Whether he can live up with the hype, I don’t care. I love Adam because he knows how to work his voice to make every song worth listening to just like what he did at AI. Others may be expecting too much but most of his loyal fans don’t. I just want to hear him sing.

Comment from Dadam:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The real irony on those pre-Idol recordings ( the ones that arent the rough Citizen Vein demosà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ which I kind of like. Monte rocks!) is that a couple of the songs actually had potential but the songwriter/producers squelched Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s inputs on changes to the vocal phrasing and vocal arrangement, directing him to sing them straight and very restrained. They obviously intended to shop the songs not Adam. So they came out pretty schmaltzy adult contemporary and VERY un-Adam. I remember he was excited about getting paid for working in the studio but pretty frustrated about how those songs came out.
This was before Wicked. A paying gig was huge.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

This makes me very sad for Adam because this is obviously NOT the kind of music he wants his name attached to. If I had thoughts of buying it before, I certainly wouldn’t now.

*****can he live up to the hype? I am not sure.

I just want a record that Adam is proud of…

It may not be the best record ever made or maybe it will, who knows, but I’m certain it will do well. Look at the Jonas Brothers – they suck ass but do very well. Britney’s last album sucks ass but is doing very well.

The last album I was crazy about was Sexyback.

I hope Adam records at least one kick-ass dance tune that I can use for my water aerobics classes! Seriously!

I am so excited to hear Adams new album. It’s going to “shock” and “change” the world. :clap_tb:

If the music is good I’ll buy it. All these hypes are necessary promotions. I don’t mind if there are more to come because seeing Adam being exited about what he’s doing make me exited too. Just enjoy the ride and live the moment.

This is a nice interview.Was Kris also interviewed by these people but we didnt see it? How about Allison? I want to know more about Kris’s album and mostly
Allisons.I see these two getting over-shadowed in the worst way.

“I hope Adam records at least one kick-ass dance tune that I can use for my water aerobics classes! Seriously!”

Funny! I hope so too.

So RedOne’s big claim to fame is Lady Gagme? Can we resurrect Ahmet Ertegun please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Ertegà ¼n

The album sounds like it could be good but I think I can safely predict it will neither shock nor change the world. Because of the short time available and the need to sell as many albums as possible (to pay for these expensive producers), it has to appeal to the masses. And while Adam’s fans will buy anything he does, the rest of the unwashed masses usually go for the familiar.

So it’ll sound like stuff that already gets played on the radio and does well. Although if this rises above the generic, I’ll be shocked. The vast majority of Idol albums don’t.

I actually do care about the music that comes out. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a music fan first and foremost.

I’m with you on that, LisaE. I love Adam’s voice, but it’s more important that the music itself be good. I wouldn’t listen to Turkey in the Straw, even if it was played on a Stradivarius.

But I’m getting really encouraged now as his comments get more specific. The earlier comments (from all of 3 weeks ago – ha) about it being a little bit rock, a little bit electronica with his voice being the unifying factor were, for me a big, red-flagged “oh no!” That sounded too generic, too pie-in-the-sky and like it had totally the wrong focus – it just can’t be all about the instrument, IMO.

The stuff he’s saying lately, though, is starting to make sense. Maybe it’s what he meant all along, and that’s cool. But a rock core, with electronic production, leaning towards dance beats, starting with songs that have lyrics that mean something – that’s all pretty concrete. It still has to be well-executed, but at least it’s a real sound, sounds like something that could really be him, sounds, really, like the best of what he did on AI – Satisfaction, Black or White, Born to Be Wild.

It’s good that he has fans that’ll listen to him no matter what kind of music he does. But the real value will be if he does some really good music.

(and I’m wondering if RedOne was involved in Lady GaGa’s music videos, because they are just awesome. I’ll explode if Adam does videos remotely like hers. Check out Paparazzi, if you haven’t. It’s like a movie.)

stargirl Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 pm

“This is a nice interview.Was Kris also interviewed by these people but we didnt see it? How about Allison? I want to know more about Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album and mostly
Allisons.I see these two getting over-shadowed in the worst way.”

Kris and Adam do seem to be getting more press than Allison. But she will be fine. Her talent is amazing. I don’t think Adam is over-shadowing Kris. Kris’ interviews have been amazing. He’s charming and sweet. Just check out the last one MJ posted.

stargirl, right below this piece there are two exciting news/interview about Kris. Part of me is envious of Kris’ fan because Kris’ news are mostly positive. My heart is much stronger during the roller coaster with Adam. not regret being an Adam’s fan tho.

***btw., à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is up on iTunes. Feel free to comment away! Unfortunately, some confused fan girls posted first.

They are using one of my favorite pictures of him to promote it.

Can someone please post a link to the Dadam post if they have it? I’d really appreciate it.

I don’t think the album is going to shock or change the world. So I won’t be disappointed when it comes out and it doesn’t.

I just hope it’s a fairly good album. AI’s record isn’t great for first albums, so that is the bar I will be using. That and how much I personally like it. Though I would love a good dance song or two on it. I love having that kind of music for my exercising and gardening (well, the weeding part).

That Dadam comment makes total sense to me. The song REALLy starts off good, but it was like the song wasn’t finished. A third verse and less LOVES/WANTS would have actually made this a pretty good song.

All the interviews are starting to put the pieces together. I would bet Citizen Vein is on the CD- that would explain the more recent work ( 2007-2008) that Hi Fi is insisting on, and also the songwriting credits, but I think it is pretty clear that WANT is not one of the ones Adam wrote, and HI FI is trying to word it as such. dadam giving kudos to Monte Pittman ( who is also listed as a Wilshire artist) leads me to believe HE is getting screwed as well.

Or I could be totally wrong

(and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wondering if RedOne was involved in Lady GaGaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music videos, because they are just awesome. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll explode if Adam does videos remotely like hers. Check out Paparazzi, if you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like a movie.)

OMG, I agree. I am almost more excited about future Adam music videos than I am about his album. Almost. Lady Gaga’s Paparazzi video is sick! She is such an all-around great entertainer/performer, which I’m hoping will be the case with Adam as well.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to shock the world.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

What is up with all of the hyperbole?

Studio57:

Great post. I wish the song had more substance. It does start out nicely. It will be interesting to see what else is on the CD.

i tried to do a google search using parts of the quote, and i just got links back to this thread… so either it is in some private forum or it came from an interview that someone heard. i’d love to have the source, too!

i thought it was really great, and telling how RedOne let Adam talk about the production side of things. i know the interviewer was speaking directly to adam most of the time so it makes sense he was the one talking, but i think adam talking specifically about production aspects and RedOne not jumping in often, if at all, and nodding his head in agreement shows that he respects adam and that adam knows what he is talking about. it just reconfirms my impression that adam is no fool when it comes to the industry and also knows what he wants in terms of producing a song and how he wants to make it his own.

i have really high hopes and expectations because that is what i do when any of my favorite artists/bands releases a new cd. and i can openly admit that im brilliant at rationalizing my obsessions and my lofty expectations because i have yet to be disappointed by one of my fave’s albums… i will always find something to love because my brain doesn’t tolerate cognitive dissonance! (i guess im just not that evolved)

I don’t think Adam’s CD is going to be a let down, I seriously expect it to live up to all the hype……………just a feeling. I can’t wait to hear it.

“OMG, I agree. I am almost more excited about future Adam music videos than I am about his album. Almost. Lady Gagaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Paparazzi video is sick! She is such an all-around great entertainer/performer, which Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m hoping will be the case with Adam as well.”

That video was a little bit scary, but I LOVED it!!!!

Given the way these Idol albums usually turn out I don’t want to get too excited but all this music news is making me……really excited!!

OMG, I agree. I am almost more excited about future Adam music videos than I am about his album. Almost.

The prospect of videos also makes me……really excited!!

I’m really excited about this! I hope this turns out great. Is fall here yet?

hollygo9
Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to shock the world.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

What is up with all of the hyperbole?

Actually I have a really interesting explanation for the use that particular phrase. I’m a fluent Arabic speaker, currently living in Kuwait. RedOne is originally Moroccan I believe. In Egypt, Sudan, Morocco and Algeria there’s an expression that people commonly use to express how spectacular something is going to be- “Ø ªÃƒâ„¢’ ¡ÃƒËœ ² Ø §Ãƒâ„¢’žÃ˜ ¯Ãƒâ„¢’  Ãƒâ„¢Ã…  ÃƒËœ §”- It basically translates into “shake the world”. I think RedOne is simply using a familiar phrase and translating it into english, which is obviously not his first language.

That’s what I think anyway.

Just what we need. More oldie’s music. You’ll never top it, so why try?
Can’t these artists just be themselves?

Studio 57 – Interesting that Monte Pittman is also listed as a Wilshire artist. Hmmm..

Potentially à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Better Than Ezraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  could be added to the list:

http://www.theaquarian.com/aq/2009/06/19/interview-with-better-than-ezra-better-than-solo/

Have you been talking with anyone from the most recent American Idol?

For Kris Allen? We just contacted the A&R people and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all just kind of getting put together. So weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re talking with the Kris Allen people, the Adam Lambert people and the Allison Iraheta people.

Ah, but initially he just wanted to work w/ Kris.

Thanks Sunn for your insight. That’s really interesting.

I’m just excited because RedOne contacted RCA before the finale and said he wanted to work with Adam whether he won or lost. And, that Adam has really connected with him. That is sooo important. Adam got really lucky. Whether it shocks me or not doesn’t matter. What I do know is that it is true Adam. I always like and respect that. Sounds like it will be the real Adam, and what he wants to say at the moment. That’s all I want. I’m so happy Adam found a person to team with for the album!!!!

Kris is getting tons and tons of press. His interviews following Idol got quadruple any exposure Adam got. Kris is just fine.

Yeah Cay!!

Nice post!!!!

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the album is going to shock or change the world. So I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be disappointed when it comes out and it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

I just hope ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a fairly good album. AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s record isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t great for first albums, so that is the bar I will be using. That and how much I personally like it.

Right on. I don’t take RedOne’s “shock the world” comment that seriously. He isn’t going to say, “it’ll be another ho-hum AI rush job.” I’m glad he’s enthusiastic about his work.

I wonder if the Dadam comment comes from Facebook?

I remember early in the season waiting for Dadam’s obscure song choice hints to hit the web, and I think those originated from one of his Facebook friends IIRC.

I think RedOne is simply using a familiar phrase and translating it into english, which is obviously not his first language.

Thank you for that. And I can appreciate that he’s not being serious with that phrase. Maybe it’s always like this but I don’t remember there being so much insane hype last year. Maybe I’ve got idol amnesia.

This is so freaking exciting! I cannot wait!

I’m not at all worried that Adam is being over-hyped. Who else but avid fans are reading every article or watching every interview video? The general public may hear one or two of these at best…just enough to pique their interest but not necessarily to create overly high expectations. Adam has been presented with a great opportunity, and he and others are running with it. I think we’re in for a treat.

Potentially à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Better Than Ezraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  could be added to the list:

http://www.theaquarian.com/aq/2009/06/19/interview-with-better-than-ezra-better-than-solo/

Have you been talking with anyone from the most recent American Idol?

For Kris Allen? We just contacted the A&R people and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all just kind of getting put together. So weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re talking with the Kris Allen people, the Adam Lambert people and the Allison Iraheta people.

Ah, but initially he just wanted to work w/ Kris.

Not that I care one way or the other but that is not what the quote says, he was asked “have you talked with anyone from the most recent American Idol?” He asks back “For Kris Allen?” obviously assuming they are talking about Kris as THE most recent “American Idol” not just about this season of the show, then he adds in that he is also talking to Adam and Allison’s people. Same words, different meaning.

Just what we need. More oldieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music. Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never top it, so why try?
Canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t these artists just be themselves?

LMAO! Some people can find the negative in anything if they look hard enough.

Wish we had a source for the Dadam quote.

Redone’s comments about “shocking the world” made me laugh b/c he’s so cute. I would think anyone would want to work with a producer who was so excited and thrilled to be making something “different” with you! I was amused and excited……no part of it made me think “oh no, it’s got to be earth shattering and world changing or it’s some failure….and oh no – expectations are too high” Ha. Ha. It’s simply cute to see them so excited…..endearing actually. Just fun and happy. !!

Right on. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t take RedOneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shock the worldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  comment that seriously. He isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to say, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be another ho-hum AI rush job.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s enthusiastic about his work.

I remember reading somewhere that Lady GaGa’s album took very little time to do, so I think RedOne is used to rush jobs, but just isn’t as ho-hum. I doubt it will be an amazing O-M-G masterpiece, but it could easily shape up to a pretty good pop album, with potential to be some interesting dance-rock. Granted, I like Lady GaGa and I pretty much love dance-rock in all incarnations, so I am looking forward to this.

As for hype last year, I don’t remember there being much, but overall AI has had very little hype like it has pertained to Adam, so that’s why it is different.

Not that I care one way or the other but that is not what the quote says, he was asked à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“have you talked with anyone from the most recent American Idol?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  He asks back à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“For Kris Allen?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  obviously assuming they are talking about Kris as THE most recent à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not just about this season of the show, then he adds in that he is also talking to Adam and Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s people. Same words, different meaning.

You know you’re right, it doesn’t really matter, but there was an article posted in mj’s headlines some time before this one where Kenneth Griffin(?) only talks about wanting/hoping to work w/Kris.

Both albums will be great, regardless.

Okay, here is where I am lost. I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t realize the Better Than Ezra people existed outside of 1995.

Kevin Griffin of BTE, is a very prolific songwriter and producer, in addition to being a kickass singer and guitarist. His songwriting credits include Howie Day’s “Collide,” David Cook’s “Avalanche,” Tristan Prettyman’s “Madly,” Missy Higgins’s “Scar,” and songs by Graham Colton, Blondie and Meat Loaf.

Oh, and BTE has a new album out that they’re promoting on tour right now. I saw them last week at a packed, SRO only, show in Philly, and it was one of the best, if not THE best, concert I’ve ever attended. They are incredible live performers.

They’re fans are pretty rabid, too, even if the band doesn’t get a lot of exposure on commercial radio thes days. Adam is not the first artist you’d think of listening to BTE, but a couple of songs they performed off the new album, “Black Light” and “Nightclubbing,” really reminded me of Adam. They’re a lot of fun. I, for one, would be thrilled if Kevin got to write with Adam.

I think a big part of the hype is related to how he performed on AI (and prior). Lots of people, whether they liked Adam or not, were interested in just what he’d do. That RoF > Tracks of My Tears transition was just too wtf? Googling him up and getting Crawl through the Fire and The Prayer was just too wtf? So this is, in part, just an extended version of What Will Adam Do? It doesn’t necessarily make him a better performer than someone else, but it’s an aspect of his taste and performance history that contributes to the anticipation among fans and in the general media.

The hyperbole just sounds like garden-variety marketing hyperbole to me, but maybe I’m jaded. I’m not worried about “over hyped” – people will judge it on its actual quality, not what some producer said about it 4 months earlier.

“Maybe ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always like this but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember there being so much insane hype last year. Maybe Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got idol amnesia.”

Well Cook set a Billboard Hot 100 record that tied him with the Beatles. And he sold almost a million downloads in the week of the finale. Plus his coronation single got alot of airplay and became an AC hit.

Adam has gotten more buzz for being openly gay, outrageous,controversial etc. Less buzz for setting records for S8 downloads, radio play etc.

I’m glad producers that are working with Adam are excited for his project. Geez, some people act like if someone (be it producer, media or fan) dares say something cool about Adam’s future music that they’ve committed a sin because everyone knows that AI albums are terribly generic and ho hum. I mean, I just read the article right below this about Kris’s collaborations with the Fray and nary a negative comment about Timbaland’s cousins great compliment or the Fray’s enthusiastic response to Kris. All I see is positive thoughts and wishes and excitement from people about his music. Nothing about how terribly generic and ho-hum Kris’s album will be. Why is that? Is that AI phenomenon reserved for everyone from AI except the season 8 winner?

I’m not trying to compare Kris and Adam. I think that they are both going to be very successful and I will buy music from both of them. But I’m tired of positive things for Adam being turned into negatives. I’m also tired of negative things for Adam being gleed over. It’s been a tough couple of day for Adam fans, I’d like to enjoy the praise for Adam from a great producer.

That is one thing about Adam though isn’t it, he sure invites the comments.

And might I add that you usually can’t plan an album that shocks or changes the world, besides that fact that not much shocks most people anymore, very few albums actually change the world. Or at least the music world.

The albums that do change or shock the world are those that are totally unexpected gems and just an artist or band doing their thing but their thing just happens to hit the right vibe at the right time. And you usually don’t get it right the first album out, something the record industry no longer tolerates sadly. After all Nevermind was Nirvana’s second album.

From what I recall of interviews with Nirvana, including Kurt Cobain whilst he was alive, they were not aware they were doing anything earthshattering. They and the label had low expectations. They were just part of a scene of new music in Seattle and they just happened to be the one of the first bands to put it down on vinyl, with Cobain adding his own twists, in a way that is now historic. Now this is funny as an aside, according to Wiki, which was quoting from a bio on Nirvana, the band was very unhappy with the final sound mix of the album, they thought it was too polished. Some things never change, bwah.

Just hope for an album that fans will love and Adam can be proud of, after all he could be singing those songs for 20 – 30 years.

But Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m tired of positive things for Adam being turned into negatives. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m also tired of negative things for Adam being gleed over. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a tough couple of day for Adam fans, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to enjoy the praise for Adam from a great producer.

That is one thing about Adam though isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it, he sure invites the comments.

Kris fans never say negative things about him, and it could be non-Kris fans don’t comment so much? I think the negative comments about Adam are mostly from non-Adam fans. I think that is why Adam fans are continually defending him.

PS I do recall the buzz about all the talented peeps Cook got to colloborate with or people who wanted to – he got quite a few of his wish list granted and then Rob Cavallo was hired as producer and really he was the RedOne equivalent of the genre of music Cook was pursuing having produced Green Day on all their major albums including American Idiot, which is probably entering the pantheon of “classic” albums if nothing else.

The hyperbole just sounds like garden-variety marketing hyperbole to me, but maybe Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m jaded. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not worried about à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“over hypedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  – people will judge it on its actual quality, not what some producer said about it 4 months earlier.”

^^^^^I agree with this!

ok, all this “post-season hype” talk reminded me of a quiz i took on sporcle.com (one of my non-MJ’s distractions) in which you have to recall all of the AI winners and runners-up. so far the quiz has been taken 54,500 times and it gives you the results of who are the ones guessed correctly most often….and kris and adam are the bottom two. you would think all the current news would make them the top two… or at least somewhere in the middle…but bottom 2? i dont know what the sporcle demographic is, but it was an interesting insight…

here is the quiz if you are interested in testing your AI knowledge.

:smile1_tb:

Less buzz for setting records for S8 downloads, radio play etc.

jpfan, Adam isn’t the AI8 winner and thus didn’t get the promotional push for his single that Cook got.. If we’re going to compare anyone’s buzz to Cook’s shouldn’t it be Kris.

Well Cook set a Billboard Hot 100 record that tied him with the Beatles. And he sold almost a million downloads in the week of the finale. Plus his coronation single got alot of airplay and became an AC hit.

Adam has gotten more buzz for being openly gay, outrageous,controversial etc. Less buzz for setting records for S8 downloads, radio play etc.

You can’t compare Cook’s downloads to Adam’s because Cook was the winner and Adam wasn’t. Kris got a huge spike in download as the winner. Also, Adam’s coronation song was not promoted whereas Kris’ was, so he got the airplay as the winner. It would have been a different story if Adam had won. Also, many people downloaded Adam’s songs every week after each performance.

Twinkle are you saying we are living in a bubble, bwah. Pass the oxygen will ya?

Well Cook set a Billboard Hot 100 record that tied him with the Beatles. And he sold almost a million downloads in the week of the finale. Plus his coronation single got alot of airplay and became an AC hit.

Adam has gotten more buzz for being openly gay, outrageous,controversial etc. Less buzz for setting records for S8 downloads, radio play etc.

Well there is the whole thing where David Cook won and Adam didn’t, so one would hope that David’s singles sold better with the whole of the 19 marketing behind him. And of course there is that even last year’s crappy coronation song was miles better than this year’s even worse coronation song, which this years winner, Kris btw, couldn’t sell anywhere near to David Cook’s level, either. But that’s okay for both men, and many other performing artists that are doing well and did less than David Cook’s single, which as you say, set records. So no, Adam didn’t set records, either did Kris or Kelly’s new singles, or even people who are doing well like Black Eyed Peas, Katy Perry and Lady GaGa.

I don’t judge Adam’s success by having to break Beatles records. Or even David Cook’s records, because than I would be worried about Kris as well. And I’m not worried for either guy unless they put out crappy product. Which hopefully working with people like RedOne for Adam and Joe King for Kris, will hopefully help prevent.

lol lavender1960 …err no? maybe?

if we are, what a fun bubble it is! a big glittery bubble.

ETA: ok… ignore those results. after looking at the comments on the quiz it looks like the season 9 blanks were added on once the season was over, so all the original quiz takers probably didn’t factor in for adam and kris. oy.

man, now a moderately OT post is really OT. but i think the quiz is fun, regardless! (sorry MJ!)

Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re fans are pretty rabid, too, even if the band doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get a lot of exposure on commercial radio thes days.

Most dedicated fanbases are, actually, it’s just it is usually the story for AI since there is no other real story for them. It’s how it rolls. I have seen message board fights break out involving the artist, crazy fans who follow the artist anywhere. It’s just it doesn’t really matter. Fan is short for fanatic all around.

And seriously, the last I heard of Better Than Ezra was “Good” so I had no idea they were still around or writing. Granted, I don’t’ care for any of the songs you mentioned by other artists, but I won’t judge them on that.

ETA: It’s really hard to compare Cook to Kris or Adam, not only due to sales decline, but different circumstances (they stressed the pulling of songs off iTunes, causing this Pokemon mentality), we could see all of sales leaks last year by popularity bars (which were overall hidden this year), and I think Cook appealed more to the AI core audience than either Kris or Adam did, who I see as having more post-AI potential. That’s just my take on it as a music fan and an AI fan.

“But Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m tired of positive things for Adam being turned into negatives. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m also tired of negative things for Adam being gleed over. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a tough couple of day for Adam fans, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to enjoy the praise for Adam from a great producer.”

I know what you mean.

A big glittery and sparkly bubble. That sounds fun.

Wow … all the analysis! You folks know way more than I do about music. I’m pretty simple … I either like the sound or I don’t. But considering, it’s Adam … I’m pretty sure I’ll like it.

Just wanted to say Thank you to mj for ALL the work that you do for all of us. It’s very appreciated! (Sorry, I can’t add to all of this strategic data.)

Yap. Adam must be that good to get all these analysis going. I noticed that when Adam is the topic, the discussion gets so interesting. It goes in different directions. I guess that’s how people are interested in him that they can’t stop talking what’s his next move will be.

here is the quiz if you are interested in testing your AI knowledge.

LOL, I think I knew all of the names, just not how to spell them. I wish they would have left room for misspellings.

How do you spell Justin’s last name anyway? lol.

I watched this video. Very interesting to me. To me, it almost seemed as if RedOne was holding back reminding himself it was about Adam. In fact didn’t he even say at one point, it’s about him? I think he’d like to ‘own’ Adam. Kudos to Adam for stepping forward for himself.

I just bought WANT on iTunes. I like it. It’s a little “adam-tide-me-over” til the super ridiculous CD comes out. Go ahead guys….you know you wanna download the song….It’s ADAM.

Someone should do some remix shiz on the song to Adamitup. Still worth buying.

How awesome would it be if the little Pre-Idol diddy ends up kicking butt on iTunes?

Norcal2009 Jun 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 am

I just bought WANT on iTunes. I like it. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“adam-tide-me-overà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  til the super ridiculous CD comes out. Go ahead guysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.you know you wanna download the songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ADAM.

Someone should do some remix shiz on the song to Adamitup. Still worth buying.

No thanks. I would feel like I’m stabbing Adam in the back. Also, LOW-Fi Records doesn’t deserve one red cent from me.

On the American Idol forum, Adam has more posts than the rest of the 12 combined. People love talking about Adam.

Thats so awesome to know that RedOne made the initiative to work with Adam regardless if he won or lost.

Norcal2009 Jun 23rd, 2009 at 1:14 am

How awesome would it be if the little Pre-Idol diddy ends up kicking butt on iTunes?

Do you work for LOW-Fi Records?

Lola and BestAI, i have often wondered if it is something about adam that makes us talk more or if people drawn to adam and his music are more apt to jump on these boards and talk about him to no end.

the psyc grad student in me really wants to make a survey to test for differences between all the fans. of course you would have to control for the fact that he has had more news events to talk about, and for the level of controversy many of those events have had. but wouldn’t that be so interesting?! or maybe im just a nerd.

also – any leads on that source of the Dadam quote??

I hope we just have to learn to accept that there will be fans who will buy “Want” and it doesn’t mean that they are stabbing Adam at the back. Adam did not directly say not to buy it. He’s just upset because it might affect what people will think about his musical direction. But the music is already out there and there’s nothing more he can do. And there are fans who can’t just wait for the RCA album. They like it, so be it.

Hope the album is gonna be shocked as its ad. As long as this guy doesn’t scream to my face as he did on idol, i will buy his CD .

of course you would have to control for the fact that he has had more news events to talk about, and for the level of controversy many of those events have had. but wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that be so interesting?! or maybe im just a nerd.

Not at all. Cultural studies and anthropology here (still studying as well, le sigh), and I find fandom very, very interesting, including non-AI ones. It’s just AI has a fervor about it since trying to take control of the outcome is encouraged. Adam, whether or not he takes off, has a “vibe” (for lack of better terms) about him that aligns more with an already pop star than an AI contestant, which is why he skews a bit differently. That’s just from my observations of AI, reality TV and music fandoms.

I love the giggle after he talks about what he’s wearing…boy loves his outfits so cute.

Also, I do wonder if there is some good collaboration pending or in the works at least because he hedged on it when they asked about a cameo but RedOne had a big grin on his face….hmmm

I just bought WANT on iTunes. I like it. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“adam-tide-me-overà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  til the super ridiculous CD comes out. Go ahead guysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.you know you wanna download the songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ADAM.

No thanks. Those jerks at Hi-Fi can’t have any of my money.

Snuffles….Don’t get so bent out of shape…it’s music. I have downloaded everything of Adam’s and NO…I don’t work for HiFi. The new stuff with Redone will be so amazing that the little pre-idol stuff will probably be forgotten, but it would still be awesome if even the pre-idol stuff kicked butt. Adam hasn’t said not to buy it, he simply said he can’t wait for us to hear what his music really sounds like (now that he has amazing producers) Still, all the stuff I’ve seen on youtube and itunes is enough to tide me over til then….

It’s all good.

No thanks. I would feel like Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m stabbing Adam in the back. Also, LOW-Fi Records doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve one red cent from me.

I am with you, snuffles

On a totally superficial level, Adam looks damn good in that light blue shirt.

I just checked the itunes for Want. Apparently they aren’t posting the bad reviews.

I feel so bad for Adam having that pice of caca “Want” attached to him. Hopefully this doesnt have the non idol viewing public thinking this is Adams real musical direction. YIKES.

WOW! Adam is amazingly handsome there. I love RedOne. I love Adam Lambert. i am so, so, so thrilled about their upcoming album. I know it will shock the whole universe. Go for it Adam!

You guys are funny. Didn’t you hear Adam say Clay Aiken could ride his coattails if he wanted? He dismissed all the gossip about Danny Gokey. I doubt he’s losing any sleep over the fact that some pre-idol stuff is getting out there. It’s getting people to talk, which is what he’s all about. He just wants to reassure us that his new stuff is gonna kick butt. We already know that. Why not have some fun getting Adam to the top of the charts?

Will Adam get something out of that Want album? I dont think I would like to download that or buy that cd cos Adam is not endorsing it.

Vote for Adam in teenchoiceawards.com. He has two nominations there.

brin..a cameo…

David Bowie :wallbash_tb:

also – any leads on that source of the Dadam quote??

Who’s Dadam, and what’s the quote?

I have just read 10 reviews on iTunes, 5 of which are saying amazing things about Adam but asking people to wait until the RCA album in the Fall and not to give money to Low-fi.

These people obviously did not download the demo.

ok, Calliope, when i need a break from the dissertation we can share authorship on the forthcoming “the psychological and anthropological significance of american idol fan bases”.

:thumbup_tb:

aside from the fact that money might not be making its way to adam’s pocket as it should, im really not concerned about the people rushing to buy “Want” at midnight the night it is released. im guessing these are the people that will love adam no matter what and are just eager to buy ANYTHING he produces. it’s the people that might not know the whole story and will pull the whole “this is the guy getting all that press that is supposed to be so awesome, this song is boring!” that im worried about. but, as i said about 250 comments ago… i really dont think this will hurt him and i think it will actually broaden his fanbase in the long run.

(also, i hope now that “want” is released we dont run through the same arguments over again)

cookcricket – check onherthize‘s post at 10:27pm …. as far as i can tell there is still no source for it.

Lola and BestAI, i have often wondered if it is something about adam that makes us talk more or if people drawn to adam and his music are more apt to jump on these boards and talk about him to no end.

People started posting about Adam from the moment he first auditioned. They thought he was really cute and charming. Then they started searching him on youtube to see if there was anything there. They (we) were blown away by his vocals and continued to search and search. It was really his looks and talent that got us started and continued.

There is no link to the Dadam comment its wasnt posted, its from a forwarded email he sent to a mutual friend. Somehow I dont think Dadam would mind terribly that this info got out.
Doesnt sound like anyone named Lambert was very happy about the HiFi/Wilshire release.

Kris fans never say negative things about him

How I wish that were true but it isn’t. Being a fan of both Kris and Adam, I tend to read articles, blog posts/comments and forum entries on sites that have fans of one or the other or both. Sadly, there are Adam fans who are still upset that he lost and take out their frustrations by denigrating Kris. At the same time, there are those who claim to be Kris fans who seem to take great pleasure in finding fault with Adam. Maybe they’re upset with Adam’s higher profile post Idol, even though he didn’t win AI, maybe they’re suspicious that 19 is giving Adam preferential treatment over Kris, but whatever the reason, they do seem to spend as much time putting Adam down as they do in cheerleading for Kris.

Sometimes a Kradam fan just needs to have as chill and zen an attitude as our dynamic duo. WWKD –> What Would Kradam Do? :smile2_ee:

I know what you mean RemusL, there really are some “fans” that can’t seem to let the competition go and be happy that both Adam and Kris are getting a chance at a great music career. Oh, well, hopefully as they both move forward in their careers and move past the Idol bubble people will be able to move on and just enjoy their music.

onherthize – were you the one that originally posted the Dadam comments? I know they have already been copied to a bunch of other fansites, I actually saw it somewhere else before I saw it in the comments here, is it okay to tell people where they came from or not?

well… although it sounds like a reasonable response from adam’s dad, i feel weird talking about, or passing on quotes that were from a private email we dont have verification for. we’ve seen where unverifiable rumors can go in this sparkly glitter bubble… (exhibit A: adam’s twitter about rumors of eyeliner tatoos…wtf?)

There is a link up on our board to download the song.
http://www.TheAdamLambertConnection.com/forum

Edited to remove the link for the song, didn’t see MJ’s “no links” memo

Redoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s comments about à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shocking the worldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  made me laugh

Me too. That comment is even better than when David Cook got hammered for saying he wanted to make an “important” album.

Well there is the whole thing where David Cook won and Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, so one would hope that Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singles sold better with the whole of the 19 marketing behind him.

Seriously? If you can honestly say that Adam doesn’t have the whole of the 19 marketing behind him (far more so than Kris and I would venture to say even more so than Cook did unless I missed his RS and EW covers), I applaud you. Frankly, as much support and hype as he has received both during and after the show, anything from him should sell like hot cakes and he should have outsold Kris quite handily post-show. Unless, of course, as others have stated, the interest outside of the fan bubble is more about the latest controversy than anything else. And that won’t sell anything.

From what I recall of interviews with Nirvana, including Kurt Cobain whilst he was alive, they were not aware they were doing anything earthshattering.

Really? Adam is a talented performer, but to make any sort of comparison to Kurt Cobain (who was a brilliant vocalist, musician and songwriter) is so very, very, very far off base. Adam is a showman who is supposed to be a “rocker” teamed up with the biggest theatrical dance producer around. I have yet to see him pick up an instrument and the original music (from his MySpace) that I have heard pales in comparison to Cobain’s weakest early efforts from album #1, called “Bleach”. To a hardcore Nirvana fan, that right there is almost blasphemy.

Seriously? If you can honestly say that Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the whole of the 19 marketing behind him (far more so than Kris and I would venture to say even more so than Cook did unless I missed his RS and EW covers), I applaud you. Frankly, as much support and hype as he has received both during and after the show, anything from him should sell like hot cakes and he should have outsold Kris quite handily post-show. Unless, of course, as others have stated, the interest outside of the fan bubble is more about the latest controversy than anything else. And that wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell anything.

You see what you want to see. Adam didn’t have any new music to sell or “winners” package deals after the finale because he didn’t win, many fans didn’t buy No Boundaries from him because it was a) a crappy song and b) it wasn’t his winners single. The rest of the stuff he had on iTunes, which continues to sell some, had mostly been out for weeks. Doesn’t matter really, time will tell for both Adam and Kris in terms of career longevity.

I think we have already hashed and re-hashed the not a musician if you don’t play an instrument argument, if that is your opinion, you are entitled to it, many here and I would argue many “musicians” do not agree. Maybe we should just agree to disagree because it is a comment that will start a fight otherwise.

*****Sometimes a Kradam fan just needs to have as chill and zen an attitude as our dynamic duo. WWKD à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’> What Would Kradam Do?

Hug it out :lol_wp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnO0_dFJ4so&feature=related

mandalay
Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pm

So RedOneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s big claim to fame is Lady Gagme?

He has also worked with Michael Jackson, Lionel Ritchie and quite a few others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedOne

Not to spoil the Adam party, I am still not expecting this album to be anything else than the average idol album. I think one issue they have is to make it mainstream. Many of us like that Adam listens to and is inspired by Muse for example, but are Muse very mainstream? They are edgy, in my opinion, and not the mainstream thing getting played everywhere. Seems to me like the more interesting music is not really mainstream, where Adam has to go. I think this is where a lot of idols fail.

It will be interesting to see what happens because in my opinion Adam, Kris and Allison are some of the most current contestants we have seen. I am somehow thinking that if they can’t make, at least Kris and Adam, no one will.

I think one issue they have is to make it mainstream.

With one glaring difference. With Adam they aim to go global, let’s face it’d be moronic not to, they can’t do that with a run of the mill AI album. It has to have edge to it or it wont sell globally. And where I come from Muse are very mainstream.

I think we have already hashed and re-hashed the not a musician if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t play an instrument argument

Not re-hashing brin, but something occurred to me when I was typing the above post:

“One of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice, his other achievements include multiple Guinness World Recordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ including one for “Most Successful Entertainer of All Time“à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 13 Grammy Awards, 13 number one singles in his solo careerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ more than any other male artist in the Hot 100 eraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and the sales of over 750 million albums worldwide.” (Wikipedia)

^ Michael Jackson does not play any instrument.

With one glaring difference. With Adam they aim to go global, letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s face ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be moronic not to, they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do that with a run of the mill AI album.

You might be right, but Britney sells in Europe too (although so does Lady Gaga)! :biggrin_wp: But I see your point, maybe a certain kind of american mainstream wont work globally, not to break a, to them, new artist. I am hoping you are right, but it seems the hope is always high for the new idol album and they haven’t been known to be that exciting. There might be circumstances as to why this has happened before but all previous idols can’t lack musical integrity, talent and expreience? I do believe Kris and Adam might be the ones to make a better album, but if they don’t I am giving up hope for all future of an idol ever to make an exciting album…

^ Michael Jackson does not play any instrument.

Are you kidding me? He plays several instruments I think. I once read an article where they said he could make a living as a studio guitarist or something. No fan of MJ but…

And seriously, the last I heard of Better Than Ezra was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  so I had no idea they were still around or writing. Granted, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢tà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ care for any of the songs you mentioned by other artists, but I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t judge them on that.

ETA: Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really hard to compare Cook to Kris or Adam, not only due to sales decline, but different circumstances (they stressed the pulling of songs off iTunes, causing this Pokemon mentality), we could see all of sales leaks last year by popularity bars (which were overall hidden this year), and I think Cook appealed more to the AI core audience than either Kris or Adam did, who I see as having more post-AI potential. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just my take on it as a music fan and an AI fan.

calliope, I’m not a big fan of “Madly” but love “Collide” and “Avalanche” and am a big fan a lot of BTE’s own music, but there’s no disputing that Griffin has written some highly successful, commercial stuff. And as a fan of his and Adam, I’d just love to see them collaborate. Probably a pipe dream, but I enjoy fantasizing.

And I don’t know who exactly comprises the “AI core audience,” but my favorite contestants in 7 seasons of watching the show are Cook, Adam and Kris, and I bought most of their music during the course of their respective seasons and then went back and filled in the stuff I was missing. I was a casual fan until last season, and if you followed the Internets during S7, then you know that Cook was pretty much NOBODY’s pick to win the season. Archie, Michael and Carly were the frontrunners.

I actually had some faith that Kris could pull an upset precisely because Cook had done it the year before. But, for the record, I voted for Adam in the finale. I didn’t love everything he did throughout the season, and I had to be won over to appreciate his singing, because initially I liked him a lot more than I liked his voice (which struck me as a rock version of Clay Aiken, whose vocal stylings I loathe). Adam got me with ROF, which I floved, and I continued to support him in spite of the ridiculous OTT pimping he received throughout the season. But I’m as interested (if not moreso) in what Kris will do post-season, because electronic pop music is not generally my cuppa.

I just have a bad feeling it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t live up to the hype that these producers and songwriters are spoiling to us.

I have the same feeling.

Well, this is Idol we’re talking about. So as long as it’s just “meh,” with an occasional Hey, *that* song is pretty good! (see Clarkson, Kelly; Fantasia; Cook, David, et al) … and not “ewwww, what the heck is that?” (see Bice, Bo; McPhee, Katharine, et al) then I’m fine with it.

Honestly, eight seasons and not one debut album from a winner or runner up that was better than that, in my opinion. (Well, except Blake’s, which I like — but that was more Blake than the record label — and it flopped!_

Yeah, I know Carrie’s was supposedly better — but I think that’s just because country songwriters are a little better and have a much more set genre to write in, get to be a little more literate, have a more settled way of producing the stuff. Most of the pop country junk on that album is also pretty “meh,” if you ask me.

If Adam (and Kris and Allison) can do “meh” with a “hey, nice song” here and there, I’m happy. It means they can keep going. And sing the songs live in concert, which Adam will kill. And then get to album two and three, which can be a big improvement (as in Clarkson, Kelly.)

Yeah, I’m a little nervous about Adam working with Kara. I know she’s been in the biz awhile, and has a good track record. But, really, No Boundaries just ruined everything she might have done before for me.

I know she and Adam have a great relationship, but yeah, not necessary imo.

Otherwise, I’m fine with the “overhype” – as someone said on the boards once, you’re not often gonna get statements about how crappy or mediocre someone is to work with – everyone wants to sell it, and sell it big.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Before the finals or anything, I called the label,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  RedOne told E! News. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I was like, if that guy wins, I gotta work with him. And if he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, I gotta work with him.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Now this is what I’m talking about!! RedOne went to Adam. I can’t wait to hear Adam’s first single and see his first music video!

I know Adam is working with other producers, but it seems like RedOne is the main one. This is the route Adam wants to go.

Is this the full interview or is there a fuller version airing at some point?

The full version airs tonight.

Well, this is Idol weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re talking about. So as long as ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“meh,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  with an occasional Hey, *that* song is pretty good! (see Clarkson, Kelly; Fantasia; Cook, David, et al) à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ and not à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ewwww, what the heck is that?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (see Bice, Bo; McPhee, Katharine, et al) then Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m fine with it.

Honestly, eight seasons and not one debut album from a winner or runner up that was better than that, in my opinion. (Well, except Blakeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s, which I like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  but that was more Blake than the record label à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and it flopped!_

LMAO! As someone who liked some of these albums a bit more than you, I still have to totally agree. Just taking out the fact that this is the bland-o-matic Idol machine, these people are recording these albums unbelievably fast despite the fact they’ve never done it on this scale before, and they are doing it while on a grueling tour. Its just hard to expect greatness, no matter how enthusiastic the kids are. If you end up with “doesn’t stink” with a few “I really like that song!” you are doing great. Nobody does their best, edgiest, most creative work on an idol debut album.

Not to spoil the Adam party, I am still not expecting this album to be anything else than the average idol album. I think one issue they have is to make it mainstream. Many of us like that Adam listens to and is inspired by Muse for example, but are Muse very mainstream? They are edgy, in my opinion, and not the mainstream thing getting played everywhere. Seems to me like the more interesting music is not really mainstream, where Adam has to go. I think this is where a lot of idols fail.

That’s true. I usually haven’t liked the albums of my favs as much as what they did on the show precisely for that reason. Not to mention, what I loved about them on the show is usually not highlighted as well on the album.

Daughtry’s album was good (imo) but even it was not as bold and dark as I would have liked or expected – and part of its success lay in the fact that it was more “watered down”/Nickleback’ed, etc. with lots of love ballads. I loved David Cook last year, but his album couldn’t really capture the incredibly creative takes he did on famous songs, which is one reason why I’m a little wary about Kris’s album, since that was one of his big hooks too.

So, we’ll see. Plus Adam has the added danger of being capable of going in so many different directions, musically, and attracting and detracting certain fan groups because of that.

For some reason it is always easier to talk or comment about someone when using comparisons. The comparisons can be “better than” or “worse than” but it tends to be a frame of reference for so many of us. And the interesting thing is that we don’t seem to care about comparing on any “fair” level, we tend to pick and choose depending on the point we want to get across.

I am sure that for every positive I come up with, there will always be a negative associated with it. We exist in a world that uses it’s point of reference as “opposites” and “debate” is the operative word.

Personally, I am really trying to evaluate the Idols based on their own merits and if I choose to use “comparisons” I am trying to level the playing field. Adam’s initial album sales will likely not compare favorable with Carrie or Kelly just because the market is so different now. And you can’t compare Adam to established Artists unless you use the same criteria which means prior to any “financial” success.

Even comparing Kris to Adam is futile. They are two totally different people with totally different lifestyles with totally different voices who sing in 2 totally different styles who really and truly appeal to two pretty different fan bases.

So, I’ll just sit back and enjoy the ride and agonize over the setbacks and be enthralled with the good stuff. And 8 years from now (isn’t that how long Kelly has been around) I’ll start measuring Adam’s success.

As far as Adam not being a musician, that argument has been repeated ad nauseum. I will say though, that put Adam on a stage, no band, no instruments, singing a capella and I guarantee what you will hear can be classifed as nothing other than music. That guy has a way with his voice and notes that can put other “musicians” to shame. Just the note in “feeling good” when all you hear is his voice, strong and pure and then the melodic way he brings that note down, is in Kara’s words…artistry.

I am totally stoked for this album (as opposed to the OTHER one by Hi Fi). He is going to bring so many elements to it. His voice is so powerful that he can sing ToMT, FG, MW (tho I’m sick of it), RoF, I aslACIGC, BoW, BTBW, etc. and all sound terrific, IMO. And he has suck a group of proven producers behind him that these tracks can’t help but me good.

I love Adam on stage, I love Adam in the studio (in fact, I think One is much better recorded), I love Adam, and he is gonna smash it. He is like no other Idol *musician* (because his VOICE is his instrument) and this could be one of the biggest albums of the fall. He can appeal to all kinds of audiences (he will, for example, not just sings songs like Just Dance, tho I love that song and it only happened to go #1 on Billboard and iTunes, but also songs that are more electronica ala Fat Boy Slim, and probably include a ballad). And because he has spent so much time in the studio already, I do not think this will be a rushed effort.

ADAM FTW

Sorry, not such a suck of proven producers…SUCH a group of proven producers…

Now Want and its companion tracks, OTOH…not so *high* on. HEH.

Adam looks so handsome and fresh in this interview. I miss his singing badly. Can’t wait to see him live!

To me a musician is someone involved in music. Jazz singers sometimes only sing covers and don’t always play instruments and they are musicians. It’s how you interepret it and to me Adam is a musician, artist and performer.

To me a musician is someone involved in music. Jazz singers sometimes only sing covers and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t always play instruments and they are musicians. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how you interepret it and to me Adam is a musician, artist and performer.

Agreed. I’m an instrumentalist first and foremost, and I have worked with many singers, some of whom couldn’t read music, or didn’t know much about music beyond just having a nice voice and good instincts.

While I appreciate musicians who at least learn how to read music (if nothing else than to keep rehearsal time from being wasted by someone having to play catch-up with the rest of the group), I have always appreciated talented singers, instrumentalists, etc. and would call them all musicians.

My only wish is that they not overpower his voice with a lot of instruments, I am off the school less is more. I didn’t like NB for this reason, too much interfering intrumentation and backvocals. A lot of really good stuff, no matter genre, is scaled back. His feeling good track leaves a lot of room for his vocals, and it gives you goosebumps. Same with tracks of my tears. It’s not always the softer stuff he does that is good but stuff that leaves a lot of space for his vocal so you really hear and feel the effect of them.

CindyM “Just the note in à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“feeling goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when all you hear is his voice, strong and pure and then the melodic way he brings that note down, is in Karaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦artistry.’

After Kris’ perf of “Ain’t No Sunshine” Kara said : three words “ar-tis-try”, LOL!

Saga “My only wish is that they not overpower his voice with a lot of instruments, I am off the school less is more.’

If Adam is going for Lady Gaga sound and electronic dance beat, it’s hard to imagine that his vocals will be “shining thru”. This kinda music is not about vocals it’s about sound effects.

Heh, I hear you Anya and I know it probably wont be an album in my taste even though I love seeing and hearing Adam perform. However, I think that we don’t give enough credit to the producer if we think he will just reproduce the sound that fits one artist, in this case Gaga, to Adam. That wouldn’t be much creativity.

Btw just listened to Coldplays “Fix You” and it displays this wonderful ability to strip down a song. In the beginning there is only vocals and an orgel (prob electronic!) which later on builds up to the whole band joining in. Very nice!

Anya…and after Adam’s “Tracks of my Tears” which came first in the competition, before ‘Ain’t No Sunshine”, Kara’s words were “One of the best of the night. You showed true artistry.”

Also, if you read any of the comcast chat with Adam, (which I guess you probably didn’t) this is what he had to say about the “electronic” elements of his future music: “The electronic element is mainly for the instrumentation, it has very little to do with the vocals. You can play an acoustic bass, an electric bass or a synth bass. It’s all bass. It just has to do with the sonic aesthetic. The vocals will remain very true to the kind of vocals you heard on Idol, with added layers and harmonies. There’ll be a lot more depth.”

There’s no way one of the hottest producers currently is calling to work with you is a bad thing… lol This is VERY good! And a HUGE compliament to Adam, that RedOne actively seeked him out. I know that would mean a lot to me as an artist.

I agree unique28v, that was definitely a great compliment to Adam and his talent.

I was a casual fan until last season, and if you followed the Internets during S7, then you know that Cook was pretty much NOBODYà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pick to win the season. Archie, Michael and Carly were the frontrunners.

I have followed the show for quite some time, and was really into last season (barely posted though as I never really get into contestants) and as someone who didn’t really have a favorite, I chose Cook to win the whole thing after he sang “Hello” on Top 20 Night. I think Billie Jean sealed it though. I find Nigel quite easy to read and can pretty much guess who wins on SYTCD and AI (when he was there) quite early on. He’s a master manipulator, but in a way I totally fangirl. I don’t know, it’s just from my observations of fans and message boards, but I sensed Cook would win and he had quite a wide appeal to the watchers.

Thanks, Bootstar, for the information regarding Better Than Ezra. I seriously had no idea they were still around. Granted, I was a tween myself when “Good” came out so I mainly know it from the radio and MTV.

Not to spoil the Adam party, I am still not expecting this album to be anything else than the average idol album. I think one issue they have is to make it mainstream. Many of us like that Adam listens to and is inspired by Muse for example, but are Muse very mainstream? They are edgy, in my opinion, and not the mainstream thing getting played everywhere.

saga: Yes and no. Muse get a lot of radio play where I live and are rather popular among teens (I think the Twilight boost helped as well) and can sell out rather large venues live. I don’t know what there overall sales are in the US, but they are massive in a lot of countries worldwide. They aren’t the type of band to get a lot of mainstream press, but they aren’t underground or anything. And mainstream can have an edge.

Having said that, I don’t think Adam will sound like Muse, even if his album is awesome. I still feel he will be a lot poppier than them (I think Muse are more like a revival of prog-rock than dance-rock, even though you can easily dance to their latest album), even if he ends up being quite rock-oriented. However, I do see them marketing Adam as being edgy, more so than most previous AI contestants. Maybe he will be Lord GaGa of the Muse.

*****Sometimes a Kradam fan just needs to have as chill and zen an attitude as our dynamic duo. WWKD à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’> What Would Kradam Do?

Hug it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnO0_dFJ4so&feature=related

Thanks for posting that. It’s really sweet. I wish AI would release a single of Adam and Kris singing that song (not sure what it is called). But they sound awesome together.

CindyM
As far as Adam not being a musician, that argument has been repeated ad nauseum. I will say though, that put Adam on a stage, no band, no instruments, singing a capella and I guarantee what you will hear can be classifed as nothing other than music. That guy has a way with his voice and notes that can put other à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“musiciansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to shame. Just the note in à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“feeling goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when all you hear is his voice, strong and pure and then the melodic way he brings that note down, is in Karaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦artistry.

Agreed (and I LOVED that long note in “Feelin’ Good” during the live performance. Perfection, for me). The voice, when it comes from someone with very strong technical ‘chops’, can (and should) be considered an instrument. I mean, opera singers don’t usually play instruments, do they – and yet, I don’t think they could be considered merely “performers”.

I do have a slight problem with the label “musician” (in general) though. If I call someone a musician, I am referring to their ability to play musical instruments (piano, guitar, drums, what have you). If I call them a singer I am obviously referring to their voice. I will say “He/she’s a great musician but is definitely not a singer”, for example. But then, I am a very literal and “by the book” type person. I do not agree with the opinion that Adam is not a musician soley because I’m pretty sure those who say this are not even talking about his voice – they’re just simply criticizing the fact that he doesn’t play any instruments (Adam himself has disagreed with that statement, saying that his voice IS his instrument). I think I just contradicted myself, but I’m tired and hungry and am not able at this moment to properly explain what the hell I’m talking about, lol!
:wacko_tb:

Calliope
Maybe he will be Lord GaGa of the Muse.

My personal nickname for him is the Cosmic Alchemist. It’s ‘out there’ (no pun intended, lol), but it works for me! :smoke_tb:

Anastasia72071, I just want him to be edgy in a way I like! Not too many istruments at once, not too much backing vocals, a killing baseline or some really nice drums. I would love for him to work with Missy Elliot, not because I like dance music so much but she just doesn’t settle for safe and she does so many interesting rythmic things. I don’t mind electronic, the feeling good track is killing and I play it over and over again when I am driving. Maybe I just don’t like pop… (when I think about I never listen to pop…)

CindyM “if you read any of the comcast chat with Adam, (which I guess you probably didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t) this is what he had to say about the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“electronicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  elements of his future music: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The electronic element is mainly for the instrumentation, it has very little to do with the vocals. ”

No, I didn’t read this. All I say is I hope that’s it’s true otherwise it’s not gonna be my kind of music. The electronic instrumentation tends to obscure the vocal but Adam’s vocal is good unlike other singers in that genre.

I just hope there is some variety on the album because I’m not really fond of electro-pop. Prefer some of the sweeter stuff he has done on utube and I’m sure that I’m not the only one. More song and less noise, because I want to hear him sing. I will always buy his first album but the second one will depend on what is on it.

saga
Anastasia72071, I just want him to be edgy in a way I like! Not too many istruments at once, not too much backing vocals, a killing baseline or some really nice drums.

Oh I totally agree with you – one million percent! I absolutely love Adam’s voice and I want to actually be able to *hear* it and all its lovely nuances. A little electronica in the background can be cool, but too much and he’ll sound like an autotuned robot. Just say ‘no’ to Mr. Roboto, Adam!

Oh I totally agree with you – one million percent! I absolutely love Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice and I want to actually be able to *hear* it and all its lovely nuances. A little electronica in the background can be cool, but too much and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll sound like an autotuned robot. Just say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹noà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ to Mr. Roboto, Adam!

I don’t think there’s any reason to worry. Electronica in the background doesn’t have anything to do with autotuning or changing the voice. In the end, I think it’s up to mixing. I’ve heard many records with traditional instruments totally overpowering the vocals, but since Adam is a solo act (and his voice is his trademark) I don’t think that will happen. I doubt they’ll process his voice much either since he doesn’t need it. Just as Adam said, the instrumentation and the vocals are separate matters.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s any reason to worry. Electronica in the background doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have anything to do with autotuning or changing the voice. In the end, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up to mixing. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve heard many records with traditional instruments totally overpowering the vocals, but since Adam is a solo act (and his voice is his trademark) I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that will happen. I doubt theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll process his voice much either. Just as Adam said, the instrumentation and the vocals are separate matters.

I agree. Bands that Adam mentioned, like The Faint, go for the electronic sound on the vocals for effect and to have it blend into the music more. I don’t see Adam doing that and he stated he isn’t going to do that. Not all electronic-sounding music has vocals that get overshadowed by the music, especially if the singer is highlighted (Garbage’s Version 2.0 is an example of really electronic sounding rock that focused on the singer; Shirley had her voice layered at times though, which Adam has said he is doing).

Calliope Jun 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s any reason to worry. Electronica in the background doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have anything to do with autotuning or changing the voice. In the end, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up to mixing. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve heard many records with traditional instruments totally overpowering the vocals, but since Adam is a solo act (and his voice is his trademark) I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that will happen. I doubt theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll process his voice much either. Just as Adam said, the instrumentation and the vocals are separate matters.

I agree. Bands that Adam mentioned, like The Faint, go for the electronic sound on the vocals for effect and to have it blend into the music more. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see Adam doing that and he stated he isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to do that. Not all electronic-sounding music has vocals that get overshadowed by the music, especially if the singer is highlighted (Garbageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Version 2.0 is an example of really electronic sounding rock that focused on the singer; Shirley had her voice layered at times though, which Adam has said he is doing).

Another example of a powerful voice not getting drowned out by the music is Dave Gahn of Depeche Mode. His voice (especially live) soars above the electronics, the electric guitar and the drums.

Lady Gaga wasn’t mainstream in North America until her song Just Dance was performed on SYTYCD Canada last year after that her music took off. Not saying this will happen to Adam but they do have the same producer.

You see what you want to see. Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have any new music to sell or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“winnersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  package deals after the finale because he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, many fans didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy No Boundaries from him because it was a) a crappy song and b) it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his winners single. The rest of the stuff he had on iTunes, which continues to sell some, had mostly been out for weeks.

Perhaps, but it can very easily be argued that fans see what they want to see. Having songs out for an entire season didn’t stop Cook from selling nearly a million downloads immediately post-win (with the four most recent offerings being the top 4 on itunes) and he didn’t have half of the hype that Adam has. Hype does not always equal sales. In fact, it rarely does. Given the hype that AI and the media showered on Adam, he is the best AI contestant ever and should therefore have the best album with the biggest sales and the best singles with the most airplay. OK, then, ain’t gonna happen.

Muse get a lot of radio play where I live

Well, that is a special place because according to the allaccess radio charts, Muse, unfortunately, doesn’t get a lot (or a little) of airplay anywhere.

A little electronica in the background can be cool, but too much and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll sound like an autotuned robot. Just say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹noà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ to Mr. Roboto, Adam!

If you are familiar with RedOne’s work, you should know that there is no saying “no” to Mr. Roboto with him. However, he is only producing a portion of the album. So, it is hard to say what other producers may bring to the table. Of course, I seriously can’t stand it when the rushed Idol albums have more than one producer. It definitely lends itself to a lack of cohesiveness, which can be either eclectic and interesting (see “Breakaway” by Kelly) but is more likely to be a hot mess (see: Katharine, Bo, Blake, etc.). And the most important thing is appealing to the mainstream outside of the existing fanbase. Just having his name on something will not sell it. Now, I have seen some fans saying they won’t buy “Want” because “it isn’t Adam” (it is, but OK) and I have seen some saying that they want it to be a hit. Whatever the case, the song is at….#231 on itunes…..not setting the world on fire by any means.

Hellothere, a whole lot of singers and bands didn’t do what Cook did (obviously, no one other than the Beatles), and yet went on to have a lot of success–much more than he has had (though he’s done nicely). Selling well on itunes is a good sign, but it’s not a perfect or even great indicator of success in the real world. Adam, and even Kris, are not your normal AI contestants, so we’ll have to see how they do in the real world.

onherthize, do you have the original source for this quote from Adam’s Dad? Thanks!