27 Dead, Including 20 Children in Connecticut School Shooting

A gunman opened fire inside a Connecticut elementary school  today  in a shooting that left 27 people dead, including 18 children, an official said.  The shooting began in a classroom.

I can’t even comment on this tragic story, it’s so horrible. Thoughts and prayers with those affected by these terrible events.

ETA: Yes, this story is developing.  CNN reports that 18-20 children who have been killed, with a death toll close to 30. The principal and guidance counselor at Sandy Hook Elementary School were both killed during the shooting, according to a witness that spoke to CNN.  Law enforcement tells CNN suspect is named Ryan Lanza and is 24 years old.  The suspect’s mother was shot and killed at the school, according to source close to the investigation. She was a teacher there.

ETA: Six adults, 20 children and the shooter were killed.  The shooter killed his brother in Hoboken first.

The numbers of the wounded/dead are subject to change, as more details of this horrific event are revealed.

More from the Associated Press

A photo taken by The Newtown Bee newspaper showed a group of young students — some crying, others looking visibly frightened — being escorted by adults through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other’s shoulders.

Students and staff were among the victims, state police Lt. Paul Vance said a brief news conference. He also said the gunman was dead inside the school, but he refused to say how people were killed.

Another official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way, said the gunman apparently had two guns.

A law enforcement official in Washington said the attacker was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school and that one of the guns was a .223-caliber rifle. The official also said that police were searching a location in New Jersey in connection with the shootings. That official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

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  • gem2477

    The world seems to get sicker every day. :( ::cries::

  • tierbee

    I don’t even know what to say :( Prayers to the families. I am counting the minutes until I can get my own kids from school and hug them. It could have been mine, it could have been anyone’s. Very scary and heartbreaking.

  • bridgette12

    I  am sitting here watching all of this play out before my eyes, wondering how one person can inflict so much pain on the most vulnerable in our society. I’m sure I am like millions of people in this country, crying not only for these kids, the faculty, their family membesr, that community, but all the parents around this country who will forever have this in the back of their mind, that this could happen at their child’s school. All it takes is one sick, heartless person to destroy many lives and usually these people die on the scene, instead of living to pay for what he did. I just hope that all of the people who this impacted in that community, know we cry with them, we fill their pain and all of his will grieve with them and for them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5HGXDY5SA4QJRME7OQJXRJYE4M James M.

    It’s freaking horrible. All the crap I read about this. I just about teared up when I read a few hours ago about a little boy just saying “I just wanna go home.”

    I’ve kind of been following this story since it started. Started with no injuries, then “only the gunman died”, then “the gunman and two faculty died”…. UGH.

    Some celebrities are also making their thoughts well known, notably Blake Shelton.

    What’s scary about this stuff is that the school had a lot of security measures to prevent such a thing from happening.

    It’s so tragic.

  • blackberryharvest

    Tweets from different idols/x factor/etc:

    Katie Stevens ?@thekatiestevens Im devastated to hear of the shooting at a Newtown Elementary this morning. Praying for the poor children and families affected by this evil

    Randy Jackson ?@YO_RANDYJACKSON Thoughts and prayers go out to those in Connecticut

    KhloéKardashianOdom ?@KhloeKardashian To harm children who are defenseless is truly disgusting. I’m in disbelief. #PrayforNewtown my heart truly goes out to EVERYONE affected

    Brooke White ?@brookewhite There’re days that you want to lock the door and hide under the bed with your family. This world is as broken as it is beautiful.

    Jordin Sparks ?@JordinSparks Those precious children…I will never understand the evil in this world. On my knees praying for those families. I am in tears.

    Blake Shelton ?@blakeshelton The killing of defenseless people and innocent children. I’m sad and sickened. This is why we all should be prepared to defend and guard.

    Stefano Langone ?@Stefano Wow, just heard about the school shootings… God be with everyone involved and their families. A true tragedy..

    Matt Giraud ?@ImMattGiraud So so sad for these kids and staff at this school shooting in Connecticut. An elementary school?!?! So angry. It’s a new low. Wow…

    Tim Urban ?@TimUrbanMusic Unbelievably heartbroken for the people in Newtown Connecticut. 26 people killed in a horrible tragedy. #PrayForNewtown

    Diana DeGarmo ?@DianaDeGarmo Seeing the devastating news about Newton, CT. It’s so hard to comprehend. I cannot pray enough for those children & families.

    Katharine McPhee ?@katharinemcphee I’m so saddened over the shootings in CT. In light of such an evil act, #PrayForNewton.

    Hollie Cavanagh ?@CavanaghAI11 My heart is broken for all the victims and their families of the Connecticut shooting, you will be in my prayers through this horrific time

    Pia Toscano ?@PiaToscano My thoughts & prayers go out to all those who were affected by the Connecticut Elementry School Shooting :-(

  • waynestrong

    so horrible

  • Incipit

    As far as I know, this is still very much a breaking story – with details developing….according to ABC News. This would be a horror story at any time – but especially now – I am relieved to know that Connecticut has an Office of Victim’s Services in place that can be called on to provide counseling and assistance to the families and the children and staff who were at the school…I hope it is fully staffed. 

    There are no words adequate to the moment – or the people directly involved – and on a different scale – all of society is the victim of these violent outbreaks. IMO.

  • tripp_ncwy

    It has now been reported that the  gunman 24-year-old Ryan Lanza also killed his other parent (father?) at his home & targeted his mother who was a teacher at the school & her students.

  • quickjessie

    MI just passed a law yesterday allowing guns in daycares and schools.  How brave of them!  I’m quite sure if one of these 5 year olds had been “packing”, he/she could have taken this guy down!  Or not.

    That is the NRA line already.  Called them to voice my opposition to their policies and they are totally A-okay with the blood of babies on their hands.  

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    That’s what I’m hearing too.  Sick.  So beyond sick to my stomach about the whole thing.  With no offense to anyone, this is not really a time where I care what celebs/idol alums are saying about the tragedy.  They have a right to post their thoughts and condolences like we all do of course, but I’d also like to think most of the human race would have the same reaction to this sort of senseless violence, most of which was inflicted on innocent children.

    I also wish the news outlets would stop interviewing the children.  These children do not need to be on television right now.  

  • fantoo1

    The fact that the shooters were the kids of a teacher make it even more horrific. With Aurora and this, 2012 has been a bad year for these shootings. I hope the younger brother gets the death penalty if he had anything to do with it.

  • Xentusk

    I see some gun ownership proponents comparing the 22 children injured ….injured, in China to this trajedy, saying that we should now ‘ban’ knives too? 

    Comparing injured victims as opposed to dead victims, how can they not see the imbalance of this argument?

    Personally and IMO, other than a madman attacking children, it is a specious comparison and argument in support of the this country’s gun laws…. 

    Injured, not murdered…. I’m sure there are many grieving parents that wished their children were injured instead of the reality we are witnessing today.

    I’m not religous, but my thoughts go out to those who are experiencing unfathomable grief…:*(

  • Mateja Praznik

    If I were American, I wouldn’t dare to send my kids to school.

    It’s sad, really. 

  • tripp_ncwy

    CNN reporting that a “brother” of the shooter was found dead in NJ. His girlfriend and another friend missing.  The parents are divorced and the father lives elsewhere.  Also, the shooter apparently died of self-inflicted wounds. The younger bother is being held for questioning.

  • Holden17C

    So awful. My heart goes out to these families.

    And there is collateral damage: The shooter was identified as Ryan Lanza. Apparently, another young man with the name Ryan Lanza lives in the area, and his FB photo has been blasted all over the media. This guy is alive and well, and has no connection to shooter. I feel really sorry for him right now.

    Lanza must be a common name. I’ve met 3 different Lanzas in the past few years, none of whom were related (they weren’t named Ryan, though). The mainstream media & the blogoshere need to check their facts before they turn some innocent person’s life upside down.

  • tripp_ncwy

    27 confirmed dead at the school (18 kids at school plus 2 pronounced at hospital, 6 adults & the shooter). Also, adult at secondary scene (brother of shooter)

  • girlygirltoo

    I heard the brother was found in NJ. It seems like there is another person dead at this secondary scene in Connecticut.

    Just so tragic…and impossible to comprehend

  • girlygirltoo

    Kris Allen @krisallen  It’s really sad to see what happened in CT today. My prayers go out for you.

  • girlygirltoo

    Kris Allen @krisallen  It’s really sad to see what happened in CT today. My prayers go out for you.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    This has got to be the most awful story I’ve heard in a long time. I can’t even comprehend what that town is going through… 

  • GinaBallerina

    “MI just passed a law yesterday allowing guns in daycares and schools. How brave of them! I’m quite sure if one of these 5 year olds had been “packing”, he/she could have taken this guy down! Or not.”

    Actually that is pretty much the idea.  Well, not for the 5-year-olds to be “packing” but for the teachers to be armed.  If guns had been allowed at this school today things may not have turned out as horribly.  Of course we cannot know for sure. : (

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    The US congress allowed the assault rifles ban to expire in 2004 (under Bush). During this short-lived ban, there was a reduction of 66% in the recovery of these deadly weapons in major crimes. Why does the US always have their head up their arse? The answer seems simple. The United States, unlike no other country in the world, regards its Constitution as a sacred writ.  And look at the results.

  • Reflects On Life

    IMO I would not trust a daycare/preschool teacher to handle a gun or protect kids. In all likelihood, the gun would be used against them or the kids.  And what if this enables a different scenario – where the teacher is the shooter?

    If schools need security, hire security.  At least they are trained to use guns and employed full time to monitor the premises.

  • girlygirltoo

    So now the shooter is identified as Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza?

  • girlygirltoo

    So now the shooter is identified as Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza?

  • tripp_ncwy

    Wrong person identified shooter. The shooter is Adam Lanza, rather than Ryan Lanza. Shooter had is step-brother’s id on him.

  • quickjessie

     Bullshit.  Please site the last…only….mass shooting whereby the shooter was stopped by an armed civilian.


    You can’t.  Because it hasn’t happened.  And won’t happen.  This is the myth of the old west – arm everybody and we’ll all be safer.

    Yep, that has worked out so well in the Congo, Somalia, etc. 

  • chillj

    This is not just a problem of guns.  Guns are part of it, but it is not that simple and fixing guns will not cure a sick society.  There are no or few mental health resources in a country with an ever increasing number of people; you can’t even cram rats into a perpetual crowd without them developing neuroses or worse.  The society has also become dramatically meaner over time and the difference since I was a child is simply startling. There is no civility, but there is an ever growing continuum of rage that people perpetually visit on each other.  We have become crude, coarse, and totally self-involved:  we fixate on the material in every way, from our devaluation of character to our obsession with possessions.  Even our entertainment is not kind and very often vicious:  Think of a person like Britney Spears dissembling put forth as entertainment.  This society is very ill and to fix it we need to look at ourselves, because we become so inured, we just don’t see the problem any more.  And there is a problem.  We need to fix guns, but unless we fix our character and our values, doing that will be ineffective.  We need to aim at a kind and gentle society; this society has not been that in a while.

  • chillj

    This just made me cry.  For all of us. 

  • abbysee

    I am just gutted over this. I have friends who live not far from Newtown. They have twin girls barely younger than many of those slain today. This creature certainly destroyed an entire community today. He murdered basically a classroom full of babies. Cant wrap my tucking brain around that. My heart goes out to all touched by this tragedy today. This is just awful. Again. This time tiny kids, the most trusting and vulnerable amongst us. Unbelievable!

  • http://twitter.com/eric_ascher Eric Ascher

    This is getting really depressing…we need to change things here, we can’t keep letting innocent people die…

  • chillj

    The core reason for people not giving up their guns is fear of their government.  People want to know they can revolt, not that it would particularly succeed.  This is not a simple issue, in particular because no one ever admits what the argument is about (except for my brother, who freely admits it).  

  • girlygirltoo

    I put the tweet in the other thread, but one of the kids murdered was the daughter of friends of Javier Colon’s…

  • fantoo1

    That is just terrible. :(

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    The core reason for people not giving up their guns is fear of their government. People want to know they can revolt, not that it would particularly succeed.

    We’ve made plenty of advances in the rights of the people without guns. 

  • chillj

    That is the start of a conversation, but we need to be honest in order to have one.

  • Chicagolaw

    This just makes me sick. It sounds like he killed an entire Kindergarten class. I have a daughter in Kindergarten and 3 others elementary school age. Schools are doing just about all they can. Some real changes need to be made.

  • tripp_ncwy

    NBC is  saying the victim at the secondary shooting scene is a woman where the shooter was reportedly living.

  • fantoo1

    Those poor kids who survived and witnessed this-it has to be absolutely horrifying to witness your classmates get shot and killed right before your eyes-I can’t even.

  • WestiesRule

    I live less than an hour from the site. As a teacher in the State of CT I am heartsick. We practice drills all the time. Who would think that they would ever be used. I will  say that the local news is clear, as are the State Police, that they are not giving out details. So, all of the wire services and news outlets are reporting rumor and innuendo based on info they have picked up willy nilly. The one place our children should be safe is in school. They are not officially identifying anyone or what type of guns were used.

  • BonnieDee

    I think we’ve gotten to the point where all schools need to have armed policemen stationed there.  ALL of them.  This shooter might have gotten through anyway though because he was a son of one of the teachers.  Word is he targeted his mother and her kindergarten class.  

  • tripp_ncwy

    AP: Officials say Ryan Lanza, shooting suspect Adam Lanza’s brother, not believed to have any involvement in rampage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/djafans Fan Dja

    I have felt sick to my stomach all day.  I just can’t even imagine the the pain and sadness everyone affected must be feeling. ;(

  • TackyZacky

    So, so, devastated over these beautiful children.

    The only consolation I can hang onto is that they are now gorgeous little angels hovering happily in heaven around the Lord.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5HGXDY5SA4QJRME7OQJXRJYE4M James M.

    Huh, my link didn’t work.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Armed officers are little help against maniacs armed with assault weapons complete with hundreds of rounds of amo. Full assault weapons ban. How ’bout it now, Mr. President?

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    So saddened.  I’m only able to handle this by thinking of other things–and praying in alternating spurts.  Back to thinking of other things…

  • Christopher Auyeung

    A powerful quote by Roger Ebert:

    ?’Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. “Wouldn’t you say,” she asked, “that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?” No, I said, I wouldn’t say that. “But what about ‘Basketball Diaries’?” she asked. “Doesn’t that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?” The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it’s unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. “Events like this,” I said, “if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn’t have messed with me. I’ll go out in a blaze of glory.”

    In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of “explaining” them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.’

  • potatorocks

    Gun control and improved mental health care is long past due.   If we do not act now, we never will.   Aside from a deranged person entering a neonatal unit, it does not get any worse than what happened today.   Guns kill on a scale they did not when the constitution was enacted–it is time to take into account changes in technology when we access ideas that are hundreds of years old.  

  • tucker davis

    While armed guards at every school sounds like a good plan, it’s just not going to happen. I’m a teacher also, and you wouldn’t believe all the cuts in education during the last 4 years. In my state, almost every area of education is cut to the bone with teachers furloughed 10-12 days per year. In every school I’ve worked in the last 15 years there has been the buzzer-door system to get in, but it’s usually turned off early when there is so much traffic. And since he was a teacher’s child, all he had to say was he was bringing something in for her. I assume the school knew she was absent by this time. I read the principal & guidance counselor were killed. I can only imagine the scene as they tried to stop this man. We practice intruder drills almost every month…just the drills scare the little ones. I am so heartsick over this senseless violence. 

  • BonnieDee

    Full weapons assault ban will be fine, but it won’t keep assault weapons out of the hands of anyone who is willing to buy them illegally.  Gangs and criminals will still have them.

  • BonnieDee

    Yes, I heard they had a security system and since he was the son of the teacher they buzzed him in.  And as far as funds for security go, they are spending money left and right.  May as well spend some on that.

  • Caro3278sweet

    Well, it’s interesting to read all these comments.

    It’s the guns. Ban them.

    It’s security. We need more.

    It’s mental illness. Ah. Don’t really know what to do… but… but…

    It’s the constitution. We need to get rid of it.

    That last one? That last one makes me laugh. A dry, sad laugh. Because the constitution and the Bill of Rights and our country were based on….

    A moral compass.

    We have lost our moral compass. Long, long ago. I’m not a religious freak. I’m a person who believes that morality does play an essential part in how a country works. 

    Or doesn’t work.

    We have taught our children many many things over the last 30-40 years. And we are reaping that fruit. Not just in this incident. This is big and bloody – like a car accident you drive past. But much more subtly and much more ugly, really.

    But of course, some here will be offended that I have quoted the Bible.


  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Ummmm… I Don’t think anyone said “get rid of the constitution” Lol! You are grossly extrapolating. You seem to have all of he answers amidst this tragedy. Thanks for the biblically-inspired lecture…Lol!

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Same argument the NRA and other gun nuts use. And where has it gotten us?

  • marmom07

     I completely agree that our current 24/7 news cycle….get breaking news out even if we haven’t verified anything, just to be the first and then say it longer and louder and more often than anyone else ….all in the name of ad sales…..

    Our news coverage is definitely a contributing factor in giving the idea to others to either copycat or encourgaging them because they want the same type of attention or go out in a blaze of glory etc

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    BonnieDee, what you say is true. But, I don’t understand why this is constantly used as an argument AGAINST gun control. We shouldn’t we make laws just because some people will break them anyway? Gangs and criminals are an issue unto themselves. What we are talking about here is the fact that anyone can buy an assault rifle LEGALLY. ANYONE! An assault rifle. Who, besides someone who is marginal on the mental stability scale would want to own an assault rifle?

  • CB40

    Well said Mr. Ebert

  • girlygirltoo

    Now there’s a Washington Post story that is throwing doubt on the idea that the shooter’s mother was a teacher at this school. It quotes some school board official saying that neither he nor other teachers had ever heard of her.


  • marmom07

     I think it’s going to take time (days/weeks) before all the facts come out on this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I don’t understand why Ryan Lanza was handcuffed and treated like a criminal; is that how all people called for questioning treated in USA justice system?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Gangs shoot each other. Sometimes an innocent victim is caught in the crossfire, which is a senseless death. Gang members are not the ones going into schools and killing twenty young children. They aren’t the ones we need to be worried about in these mass murder incidents.  

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Spent last night with several of my Grandchildren at their Karate class.  I am just imagining the pain these parents and Grandparents are feeling.  Losing a child is worse than anyone could imagine.  My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims.

    Apparently, he used his gun to break a window for enterance.  Stronger glass around the enterances should be used.  Monsters like this must be stopped.

  • chillj

    You know, I also wondered about this when I saw him.  Ultimately, I think it is possible that this was done to protect him, especially as there was name confusion at about the time he was interviewed.  I think he was actually safer with the public thinking he was under arrest; being a relative of a mass murderer is not a safe thing, people react off.

  • chillj

    The most alarming thing about these mass killing is that we are raising the killers.  These are children of affluence; are we raising them to feel alienated, without purpose, angry?  We need to look at this problem very carefully.

  • BonnieDee

    I don’t have a problem banning assault rifles, but who is using them?  Mostly gangs and criminals.  I think banning them is being presented as a solution to violent crime when it’s not.  Anyone willing to commit mass murder is going to have no problem buying a gun illegally.  

  • BonnieDee

    The mental health laws are so strict that everyone is worried about being sued, and nobody asks the questions they need to ask to keep people safe. That being said, if the news reports are true, the guns were registered to the shooter’s mother, not him.  I think that part of a background check should be checks on everyone who has access to the guns, not just the owner. 

  • chillj

    The mental health laws are very difficult to address without violating rights:  I know a woman who was institutionalized in the fifties by her husband, who simply wanted her gone.  Mental health laws, like many laws, have been implemented to protect us from instances like that, but seem to have gone  too far in the other direction.  My mother was bipolar and sometimes psychotic, but even when she threatened the safety everyone in her apartment building by starting fires, I could not get her inpatiented.  It is a problem, a big one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     True that… it isn’t gang members we keep hearing about shooting up kids and people in schools, malls, movie theaters… until the heart of man changes, nothing will change… pevil, senseless killings, war, hate, murder, bigotry will be part of our lives and world until something in the human heart regarding his or her fellow man changes…

  • BonnieDee

    I see no logic in that argument at all.  If gangs have illegal weapons, do you think they will not sell them?  Your argument is that gangs won’t be shooting up innocents.  Are you saying that you can rely on gangs to NOT commit violent crimes?  Huh? Have you looked at the violent crime rate in Chicago? It went UP after guns were banned.  Making something illegal does not make it unavailable.  Ask any drug user.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Every country has menatally ill, sick, “evil” people. The difference is that in the US, we make it easy for them to have access to these killing machines…to play God.

  • bridgette12

    Because the police didn’t know what part he played in the massacre. Mainly it was because it was his identification that was used by his brother to get inside the school.

  • BonnieDee

    The difference is that in the US we make the laws so strong to protect the mentally ill to the point that we can’t stop them until after they kill.  Taking guns away won’t stop anything.  There are other ways to kill.  

  • BonnieDee

    Plus, according to some reports the shooter had his brother’s ID on him when he died.  So police at first thought it was the brother.

  • chillj

    If Mr.  Ebert does not think film and video violence contribute to violence, there is research he needs to read.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    “Taking guns away won’t stop anything.  There are other ways to kill.”
      With all due respect,….firing hundreds of rounds of ammunition via an assault weapon can kill 100 people in a matter of minutes. I’d rather this killer brought knives into the school. Likely he would have been overpowered after one incident. These guns are manufactured to BE killing machines. There is no credible argument that can be made as to why assault weapons should be legal. The right to bear arms needs strict limits. What about my right not to get gunned down in the mall, or on campus or at a movie theatre? Or my children’s rights not to be gunned down in their kindergarten classroom? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    My POV evidently sailed right over your head. The mass killings that have hurt our hearts over and over this past decade or more have seemingly been carried out by children of privilege, so called ‘good’ kids from’good’ families and ‘good’ neighborhoods with access to some pretty lethal hi powered weaponry –  designed to hurt kill and maim in mass numbers. But it seems when crime is mentioned in this country, folk are quick to throw up ‘gangs’ and ‘inner city’ crime as the bogeymen. Right about now – I’d feel more comfortable w/my kid in a gang infested inner city school, mall or theater than I would in some nice suburban upscale ‘safe’ community… haven’t heard of any mass killings of kids or students or people by ‘gang’ members in a school using assault rifles… no such thing as ‘safe’ in this world, no matter how much we try to tell ourselves otherwise, no matter how many gated communities we hide ourselves behind, no matter how many guns we tell ourselves we must have to feel ‘safe’… there is no safe. Some folk learn that sooner than others. Sad to see this community and these kids having to see evil face to face.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Gangs will commit violent crimes. What they don’t do is go inside a kindergarten classroom and shoot 20 five year olds at point blank range.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Taking guns away won’t stop anything. There are other ways to kill. 

    It might have stopped the killings of twenty children in Connecticut yesterday.
    The fact that this mentally ill twenty year old had access to several semi-automatic killing machines in his house might have been too easy for him.  If he had gone on a killing spree with a knife, the results would have been very different. There wouldn’t have been twenty sets of parents who are making funeral plans for their kindergartner today.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Our society is just sick… sick… sick… so many excuses made, no real action taken to try to correct some of these ills… I’m tired of my heart hurting like this, seeing innocent children, in this country and elsewhere, having to suffer needlessly and die senseless deaths. We have to take some kind of action after this – Can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve had enough excuses… 20 dead kids is unbearable to even the most cynical heart.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    I’m also sick of the veiled racism with the gun nuts/NRA crapola/fear propaganda saying “gangs will be the only ones with these guns,  they’ll still get them and kill us, etc.”  In reality, what we should fear are young white suburban-dwelling males, as they have been the perpetrators in 56 of the 62 massacres recorded in the US involving assault weapons and/or semi-automatics in past 30 years.

  • marmom07

    Anyone willing to commit mass murder is going to have no problem buying a gun illegally.

    This is a myth and an excuse. The theory that it’s so easy to get illegal guns. Does every law abiding citizen have a criminal on speed dial except me?  Yes for some people it may be “easy” to get an illegal gun but for the rest of us we would have to work a little harder and it would take longer and there would be more opportunities to for others to see what is happening and intervene. How many times have cops caught people trying to buy illegal things? Plenty. No they don’t catch everyone but they do catch plenty.

    It probably took this young person minutes to grab those legal guns. How much longer would it have taken to plan out getting illegal guns? If he even knew someone he could get them from? Perhaps in that space of time his  mental state would have changed and he could have not followed through. Yes some will still plan murder but we don’t have to have legal guns laying around to be grabbed in the heat of the moment or in a time of mental breakdown or to be accidentally discharged.

    Why do we lock our doors and windows? To prevent burglaries. Does that stop all burglaries? No. Should we all just leave all our doors and windows open and unlocked? Of course not.

    Fewer guns, legal or illegal means fewer death by guns. Fewer innocents killed by gun violence. Fewer deaths is always better.

  • marmom07

    Another example of legal guns are too easy and make it too quick to kill.



  • durbesque

    I have never played a video game, so I can’t speak from experience.  But what I hear on non-mainstream media is that video games are exciting and fun.  A slightly deranged kid could easily think “Gee, imagine how much more fun the real thing would be!” and he’s off to the races!   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Another false info; the gunmen forced himself him and did not use his brothers’ identity to be let in.  I just find the media should be more professional and don’t release unconfirmed info; just made victims of those who are innocent.

    As more info comes in I feel so much respect for these teachers who sacrificed themselves for the children.   Again it shows how valuable and courageous this position in the society.  Hopefully this position will be rewarded justly and not be targeted for “cuts”.  These fallen heroes are the real angels in this horrific incident. 

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Oh, sweetmm I agree with you!  My daughter teaches First Grade and she has two young children.  This story has been difficult to handle.  It seems we keep getting new changes every couple of hours.  Indeed, there are heroes to this story!  For the amount of education, teachers do not get paid enough.  Schools need support with tech equipment, books, and even toliet paper. 

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

     The same argument could be said for TV and Movies.

  • durbesque

    The viewer of movies and tv does not participate to the same extent.  The player of a game mobilizes his mental, emotional, and physical resources to demolish the enemy.  Death becomes a game that can be easily transferred to real life…it seems to me.  I expect this kind of thing to increase as more and more young people realize that their generation has no future.

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  • Anny_nanny

    I have graven in heart that parents should never bury their children. This is wrong, it badly. We know that always will be part of them.
    Prayers to the families.

  • tucker davis

    I agree with you. We have a mentally ill young adult in my extended family, and his parents won’t keep guns anywhere in the home. They also keep knives out of sight in the kitchen…not easy to do. They’re not against guns, but realize that when you have someone who MIGHT not be rational in the home…you don’t take a chance. It’s just common sense. If there can be any good that comes out of this, I hope serious conversations about mental illness are discussed. The rights of the individual should not supersede the rights of the majority. I have watched this family repeatedly try to get help for their adult child. It’s a revolving door (hospitalized 25 times in 7 years). They are often told that he has to DO something violent before action can be taken. Again…the rights of the individual. Sorry to rant, but mental illness is the key to this madness.

  • jpfan2

    Sorry to rant, but mental illness is the key to this madness.

    Don’t forget to add a gun loving mother who thought it was ok to teach her mentally ill son how to shoot. And felt she needed semi-automatic weapons to “protect” herself when just a pistol wouldn’t do. Gee that worked out well didn’t it?

  • tucker davis

    That’s truly unbelievable! Why would this mother want (or need) a rifle of this sort? Even if her son was stable…why? That’s hard to comprehend. One of the most telling aspects of this story is that his brother, just 4 years older, hadn’t spoken to him in over 2 years. Scared of him??? I know that after age 18, getting help for him is very difficult if he doesn’t comply. But access to guns…cannot comprehend.

  • durbesque

    I’m convinced….”mental illness is the key to this madness.”  Now what?  You recounted the tale of rational parents who do what little they can.  Not all parents who spawn mentally ill children are sane themselves.  We can’t expect them to protect us.  So where do we go from here? idk. 

  • http://twitter.com/DorkAngel DorkAngel-GBW

    I have a 1st grade student who could be this young man in a few years. He goes hunting with his dad on the weekends and often talks about bring a gun to school to kill me and others. One day he brought a clip of empty casings. No one seemed to think this was a big deal except one of my aides and me. When I talked to his dad about it, he laughed, saw no harm in it. Why? It’s hard for parents to accept the fact that their child is sick, not “normal” even when the child has to take medication to reduce violent tendencies.  Too often they forget to give their child her/his medications which makes for some very rough days.

    I appreciate and admire those teachers for doing what they did to protect their students. I only hope that the loss of their lives will help our country realize and recognize what all teachers do to education our young. And no, the pay is nowhere near adequate compensation for all the extra hours put in and personal funds used to properly educate our students.  I’m fairly sure the Fiscal Cliff will be averted due mostly to deep cuts in education.

  • tucker davis

    I don’t have the answer, but I do believe that it shouldn’t be so hard to get a mentally ill person hospitalized and held if they aren’t compliant with medication if necessary. We just had one of the few mental hospitals in my state close and only the most severe were transferred to an already full one. The cuts to mental health are staggering. We’re hearing this remaining hospital may be closed by 2014. Where will these people go? Back home or on the street until they do something to land in prison. When we are giving billions to other countries, I wish we would devote both the money & research needed to help this growing segment of our population.

  • durbesque

    “this growing segment of our population”…Chilling, but true.  You “don’t have the answer”…I contend that there is no answer.  Not every problem has a solution. 

    In fact, as our country sinks deeper into debt, more jobs are sent overseas, the middle classes are impoverished, the dollar declines…..
    Reminds me of an old Broadway musical called “Stop the World, I Want to Get Off”… That’s me!

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  • annie12120

    Here is another insight into this tradegy and the others in recent years


  • durbesque

    Two great articles.  I have followed Jon Rappoport for years, but never heard of Dr. Sircus before….curious name. 

    My understanding is that the effect of pharmaceudical drugs on mental/emotional illness is to destroy the part of the brain that is causing the behavior.  Of course, like drugs in general, they merely mask the symptoms, never addressing the cause.  The big money is in treatment, not in cure or prevention. 

  • chillj

    Actually, we do not know if he was by definition “mentally ill.”  From anything I have read, he was impaired in some way and his problems were addressed, but exacerbated when he was out of the educational system.  There is no mental health system that alone can prevent this, and emotional problems are part of going through the teen years – as every parent knows.  We can improve prevention of access, especially during those times of a child’s life when they more likely to act on impulse.  We need to wait to learn factually what this boy’s problems were, although some publications have indicated he was autism spectrum, but we need to acknowledge that we failed him just as we failed the small children in that school.  We are adults.  We need to address the problem of violence in this country with across the board strategies, that address every part of our culture and constitution.

  • chillj

    This is so sad and not just sad, but dangerous.    Maybe the account of this killer’s life will prompt some parents currently in denial to seek some kind of help for their children.

  • chillj

    Petition for gun laws to protect our children.  

     http://signon.org/sign/today-is-the-day-for-1?source=s.em.mt&r_by=912290 Thanks!